Psychoanalysis and the Delusion of Atheism

In Paul’s letter to Timothy, he warns against all kinds of falsehood. Summarizing a range of attributes he concludes this about deceivers:

“…they [have] a form of godliness but deny [His] power.” 2 Tim.3:5

Contemporary Psychiatry says: Faith in God is okay, so long as we don’t actually experience God’s power.

In his article “The Divine Fire of Philip K. Dick” (published online at http://Aeon.co) Kyle Arnold outlines that early psychoanalysis considered faith a pathology of its own that somehow seemed to lead to the “delusion” of divine experience.

“Contemporary systems of psychiatric diagnosis have no problem with a belief in God, Zoroaster, Demeter, or the Moon Goddess. At least in theory, we are free to hold whatever religious beliefs we wish without fear of being labeled mentally ill.

However, the field has made less progress when it comes to actual religious experiences. Patients meet with less tolerance when they reveal that Jesus is speaking to them, right now, in the consulting room, or that the Moon Goddess flew in through their bedroom window last night and initiated a lunar romance. When spirituality makes the leap from an abstract belief to a real, live experience, therapists get nervous.” Kyle Arnold.

We should be aware: It has always been the factual case that an atheistic perspective is self-delusional. 2000 years ago (about 1800 years before the invention of the field of Psychiatry) Paul was writing to the Romans, who were the best educated folks on earth at the time…

“… since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” Romans 1:20-21

God plainly exists. We experience Him in each breath.

Mr. Arnold’s article is worth noting and digesting. At least, we should know that atheistic intellectualism is a formidable foe.  Isn’t it fascinating that Psychiatrists working with the mentally ill would work toward instilling their own denial of God in their patients?

Physician, heal thyself first. Then look to heal your patients.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Mt. 7:3

 

 

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8 thoughts on “Psychoanalysis and the Delusion of Atheism

  1. Since all Christians and all theists say that the universe is evidence of their god, and do not agree on what this god wants, why should I believe you? If you are a true Christian, why are you unable to do the miracles promised to every truly baptized believer in Christ as promised in the last verses of the Gospel of Mark?

    1. I make up that you think confrontation is fun and your questions are very wise. But, debating with you simply isn’t an investment I’ll make because invariably posters like you are not actually seeking answers. Ultimately it’s your choice and nobody – particularly God – has tinkered with your free will.

      Believe what you will.

      At the end of the age, we’ll see who’s convictions were worth while. I hope it’s plainly obvious how I’m betting. You can rethink your bet right up to and until your last breath.

      Good luck.

      1. Your response is showing the usual excuse by a Christian that no one but them is actually seeking answers. Since I am actually seeking answers, your excuse fails. Please do show that your god is the creator god and that every other religion is false. You can’t, can you?

        It is my opinion that there is no free will; we are entities informed by our prior experiences and our genetics which are informed by physical laws. The bible says nothing about free will. Your bible says that there is no free will, that this god control everything and that it is only its whim for allowing certain humans to attain “salvation”. You see, Dg, I was a Christian, of one of the sect that claimed predestination. There is no reason to think that nonsense is true, nor is there reason to think your version is true.

        Yep, Christians always try to use fear to get people to believe. It’s been over two thousand years and there is yet to be the “end times”. Your supposed savior said it would be back within the lifetimes of people two thousand years ago and it never came. Paul had to invent a new mythos and still nothing. Since I’m not afraid of your bogeyman or your sadistic fantasies of hell, what else do you have?

    2. I would like to make one reply to clubchadenfreude. You suggest that all Christians must preform miracles? if they are really Christians? Have you not read in Paul’s letter to Timothy that he should take some wine for his frequent stomach ailment? Or that he had to leave a friend behind because he was ill? Miracles do not happen at our command unless the Lord himself first initiates that healing through his servant. Paul himself had a thorn in the flesh that He would have rather had removed but the Lord said “my grace is sufficient to thee”. Every generation of Christians have been persecuted, slaughtered, burned at the stake, and tortured for their faith, yet did not deny the Lord. Why do you think that they would suffer so horribly if they did not know for SURE what they had experienced. Nero tied them to stakes and made candles of them for his garden, yet they did not deny the Lord. What did they know that would give them the courage to submit to such torture?

      1. Irene, the Christian bible says that all Christians can perform miracles. Shall I quote from the Gospel of Mark? ““Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

        Now, if you want to claim your bible make a false claims, I can agree. If you don’t, then if you are indeed a baptized believer in Jesus Christ as your savior, why can’t you do any miracles as promised? Many Christians want to claim that these verse only apply to the original disciples, but it doesn’t say that at all. If you can’t do what is promised, we have only a couple of possibilities: the bible is making a false claim or you aren’t a Christian. Since no self-proclaimed Christian can do any of these miracles, it seems that there are no actual Christians at all. Or of course there is no god and what you claim as a religion is nonsense. You could point out that the last verses of the Gospel of Mark are known late additions, but then that would make all of your bible suspect with its authenticity.

        Yep, I’ve read Paul’s version of Christianity. Now, who shall we believe, Jesus or Paul? How about believing the author of the Book of James who also agrees with JC and says that Christians can heal others? What we have is a set of books that contradict each other. If JC and James are correct, then Paul wasn’t a Christian. However, there is the problem that supposedly Paul also healed people in Acts 20, also showing that even Paul can’t keep things straight. Why would a man who supposedly can raise people from the dead suddenly be unable to help a friend?

        Irene, you also show your ignorance of your own bible. If one believes your bible, miracles do happen at our command. The mountain moves as soon as commanded., it doesn’t just erode away (Matthew 7, Mark 11) JC himself said that anything asked will be granted (matthew 18, John 14, and no exceptions offered at all) John 14 “ Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it”.

        And lest, you try to come up with one more excuse, JC also said that God wouldn’t give something not asked for e.g. a father would not give a child a snake when asked for a fish (Matthew 7, Luke 11). And yes, Paul did claim he had a “thorn”, and again he supposedly healed people, and then forgot how to do so. It’s the classic excuse of any charlatan, suddenly it is more worthy to supposedly suffer since he can’t actually do anything about it.

        You also indulge in the ignorant claim that your god must exist since people suffered and died for their beliefs. If so, then any religion who has had followers suffer, be persecuted or die for their beliefs must be just as true as your version of Christianity. Muslims, Jews, the People’s Temple followers, the Heaven’s Gate followers, etc. I’m guessing you wouldn’t agree with that, but you of course can’t show why one should believe your claims and not others.

        Hmm, were the Heaven’s Gate people right in that there was a spaceship hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet ready to take their souls along? They must have been per your claims that the only reason that the Christians who were murdered knew something special.

        You might want to consider your claims in light of other religions, Irene. If you wouldn’t accept such nonsense from a non-Christian, or even a Christian of a different sect than you, why in the world should I believe you?

  2. Hearing stories like this are painful, e.g. your experiences with whatever “sect”. I can only imagine. But it sounds familiar. We tried 28 churches (multitude of “Denominations”) over 10 years across 5 states … counting only the ones we attended more than once. (Truth.) By far most of the authentic relationships I enjoy I’ve found in 12-step meetings. (Sheesh.)

    Real believers are extremely rare. Hypocrites are everywhere, and worse fill “churches” and “sects.” It’s a main reason I blog about this here: Try to cut through the pollution.

    Afraid? You definitely sound very brave. Unplugging from a “sect” is harsh, man.

    But think about this: What would life be like if courage wasn’t something one had to manufacture?

    “It makes no sense but this is grace” https://youtu.be/QKUCeELsfvM Not that I promote this church, but the music is stellar.

    “Faith makes a fool of what makes sense”

    Enjoy!

  3. ClubChad… You might wish to bear in mind that where faith is concerned, it’s not what others can prove to you.

    It’s all about what you choose to believe. Enjoy your atheism. It’s at your risk. … Alone. You’re very courageous, we know that.

    Accusations, of Ignorance? These will be settled at the end of the age, or of life. Whichever happens to come first. You simply aren’t qualified to assess… because you’re not God. I’m good with that.

    Since this dialogue is helping nobody, this thread is closed. Confrontationalism from either side is unwelcome here.

    Thanks for trying though. Really. Thank you.

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